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-Please propose changes here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/hmmm_openki_workshop_at_decentrale_16_sept_2017_2
+Please propose changes here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/hmmm_openki_workshop_at_decentrale_16_sept_2017_3
+https://wiki.openki.net/doku.php?id=public:q_a
+Openki FAQ
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-Version 2
-====== Questions & Answers ======
+===== Questions & Answers =====
-The goal of these Questions and Answers is to open up the project for interested People and make collaboration as easy as possible.
+  * Basic information for Users should be in the FAQ, currently at https://openki.net/FAQ.        stuff to update: https://github.com/Openki/Openki/issues/943
-As much Information as possible should be accessible for everyone.
-If information is missing, pls help us to add it.
-  * Basic information for normal Users should be in the FAQ, currently at https://openki.net/FAQ.
   * Non public information should be in the internal part of this wiki. accessible for collaborators only.
   * Technical information (coders, sysadmins, admins) is in the github Wiki: https://github.com/Openki/Openki/wiki
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-==== What is the vision of Openki? ====
+===== ABOUT PROJECT / VISION / VALUES =====
-things:
+==== What is Openki's Vision? ====
-  * create a tool for self-organization, one that will be itself a model for other self-organization tools. in order to empower people.
-  * bring together and interconnect groups and initiatives, exchange of knowledge and experiences
+  * create a tool for self-organization, one that will be itself a model for other self-organizational tools and one that empowers people.
+  * bring together and connect groups and initiatives to foster an exchange of knowledge and experiences
+  * To loosen up the "roles" and hierarchies in the learning process
+  * To lower the barriers in educational processes
+  * we want the courses to be affordable and accessible to everyone
+  * self-determination and an autonomous acting of Openki
+  * transparency, non-profit
+  * We want to have this nicely formulated and there is already a proposed workshop for this. (https://openki.net/course/4XeLcJqfGWhQ4mrug/vision-for-openki)
-- To loosen up the "roles" in the learning process
+We want to create a tool for self-organization one that will be a model itself for other self-organizational tools and one that empowers people. Openki wants to bring together groups and initiatives in order to foster an exchange of knowledge and experiences. Openki loosens to roles and hierarchies in general learning processes as opposed to classical educational programms (language courses, schools, universities etc.) and lowers the barriers to learn from each other. We think that education should be accessible to everyone, we therefore want the courses to be affordable and open to everyone.
-- A political assembly would fit? Is decision-making a learning process? It should be! (we make clear what is about and to accommodate such processes, it is actually important to make people imagine such meetings as p2p learning processes)
+Openki should always stay a self-determined and autonomous project, we want to be as transparent as possible and don't want to make a profit with this project.
-- Lowering the barriers allow an easy access to education
-- we want the courses to be affordable and accesible to anyone
-- self-determination and an autonomous acting of openki
-- transparency, non-profit
-We want to have this nicely formulated and there is already a proposed workshop for this. (https://openki.net/course/4XeLcJqfGWhQ4mrug/vision-for-openki)
+==== What is Openki's Philosophy? ====
+Our goal was to create a platform that can be used for self-organised education and knowledge exchange. On the platform itself we offer a frame derived from that idea. Our ambition is to develop a platform that enables everybody to contribute respecting our core values LINK. We are in contact with other participatory projects and try to learn from them as well.
+The platform itself does not give much indication of the theories and philosophies of alternatives to the insititutionalised school system. Is your goal to simply create a platform to be used in any way possible, or also to promote ideas about deschooling and convivial knowledge exchange? In which case a more informative/inspirational shell needs to be created around the platform itself.
+Suggesion for concrete(r) questions for this above mentioned question: [FIXME] What are the theories, philosophical traditions you referenciate on?
+[FIXME]Is openki political? What is your vision in terms of a political aspect?
+On the platform itself we only give a framing derived from that background
+We have ambitions to create this context arround the platform, necessary to enable everybody to contribute. not only to
+part of the answer as well is that from observing other participatory projects: the academic discourse is blocking lot of people to use it.
-==== What is the aim of Openki ====
+==== What is Openki's goal/ aim? ====
-  Is it to have someone responsible for putting up courses/events or to have the groups/people putting them online themselves?
+Our goal is to stimulate knowledge exchange and self-organized education and leraning structures, which are accessible to everyone
+We want the skills to be shared and transferred between people.
+Our main goal is to make education accessible to everyone and share experience.
+Is it to have someone responsible for putting up courses/events or to have the groups/people putting them online themselves?
+The main aim is the tool itself with the objective of allowing self-empowerment/self-organization of people. the other activities ar subsequent results of this aim.
-The main aim is the tool itself with the objective of allowing self-empowerment/self-organization(?) of people. the other activities ar subsequent results of this aim.
+Offer support for users
-make education accessible to everyone? Share experience with anyone?
+There are two use cases:
+  - someone (e.g., a venue owner, group-member) organizing courses: Openki makes it easier for people to know about their events and participate (Calender, Webframe, Infoscreens)
+  - stimulate participation of non-experts and create a self-organization ecosystem (in this case everybody propose courses in a self organized way where openki collective would not [participate] / moderate -> self-empowerment
+==== Could Openki serve as an open repository of "skills" and/or resources? ====
+No. (Sure it could but it is not.) We need a very clearly visible usecase for Openki in order to help people easily understand what Openki is about.
+We want the skills to be shared and transferred. Knowledge should spread and we dont want to simply help to get in contact with people who can do things "for us".
+Of course you can search courses for mentors/specialits that you might want to contact and get their skills. Users can not yet add skills to their profile. However, in their profile you find courses they mentored/are mentoring.
-Offer support for users
-There are two use cases:
+====  How open or worried are you in terms of opening the use-case (Anwendungsmöglichkeiten)? ====
-) someone (e.g., a venue owner) organizing courses and openki makes it easier for people to know about them and participate (Calender)
+It would worry us a bit if other people would use it for other objectives other than organizing courses. Because if you browse the Webpage it is already hard to understand "What does openki do for you"
-) stimulate participation of non-experts and create a self-organization ecosystem (in this case everybody propose courses in a self organized way where openki collective would not [participate] / moderate -> self-empowerment
+In other words it could give wrong ideas if usecases mix up too much. We feel a need to focus on learning and education
+So, at the moment, we don't see that it would make sense to open&broaden the use-case in the next years (for example proposing "projects" in stead of "courses").
+Many Years ago, we had an other project called "OpenConcept" (everybody could propose projects, ex cultural (theater) ,techincal, political etc.) The application Openki could be used for that as well. Although we still like that idea very much, we can't promote it.
+It seems that even our understanding of "learning" might be already too broad and we need to narrow it down in order to avoid confusions. Because of course we do not want to promote education in its old understanding - but learning in a broader sense: mutual sharing of experience and knowledge. So discussing ideas is an important part of learning and we want to promote such "assembly"-stlye of courses.
-==== What is the difference to other learning platforms? ====
- (e.g., the publicschool.org, classery, dodiz)
--  It's open source
+==== What are we? Movement, Community etc.  ====
-- The content uploaded is open sourced (CC)
+Everything! We achieve our vision by creating the tool. The tool needs a community. To build a community we need the movement.
-- The community context openki offers
+We are a vision. To achieve this we create a tool. The tool itself wont do, we need to spread the vision (a movement) and we need a social framing (the community).
-- It allows people to volunteer for the roles including hosting of events
+Values->  Goal -> Tool  ->  Organization  -> Community  -> Movement  -> Idea  -> Goal
-- Allows people to propose courses based on interest / needs (and puts the same weight on things happening and on rough ideas)
-- It's free
+==== Why is it opensource? ====
+[FIXME]
+Openki free software: that means everybody that makes changes to the code has again to publish the improvements for everybody to be used.
+It is opensource so everyone can change or work on the code and use it.
-==== Is it opensource? ====
+==== What is the legal organization of openki? ====
+Behind Openki there is the association KOPF" (Kurs/Course Organisation PlatForm).
+Openki is registered as a Swiss "Verein" which is an Association. We are called "Verein KOPF" (Course Organisation PlatForm).  By law "Vereins" are democratically managed and non profit but still allow great flexibility. We are tax-exempt by the Kanton of Zurich. The "Verein" is now a means to an end: As a "Verein" we can manage our bank account more easily.
+[FIXME]
+A Verein needs Statuten?
+Maybe it would be more transparent to have a link to see them and the structure of the Verein (for those who are interested).
-YES - it is free software: that means everybody that makes changes to the code has again to publish the improovements for everybody to be used.
+==== Is the platform for organizing physical events only or also for e-learning? ====
+The focus is on physical events but it is possible to organize courses that take place online.
+==== Did you consider transforming the 'Verein' into a cooperative? ====
+We're having dicussions about that. It might be a model financing Openki, but we're unsure of what is a 'counter value' for the cooperative mebers.
+Todo Juanse: Pros and cons of becoming a coop associated to BotC
-==== How do you organize outreach? ====
+==== What is the difference from Openki to other learning platforms? ====
+ (e.g., the publicschool.org, classery, dodiz http://www.tradeschool.coop/  moodle, meetup, )
-WE started making partnerships and collaborations, and haven't started an outreach process, but have had some presentations. Outreach to other organizations that would be interesting to connect mentors/participants to Openki or outreach to organization that could provide money/other resources (e.g. building/rooms)?
+there's a complex comparison work in our dossier
+depends to which you compare. we dont know of a platform that does the same.
-There's not yet a communication workgroup active, people in the core group are shy/modest/humble :-)
+- different functionnalities
+- It's open source
+- The content uploaded is open sourced (CreativeCommons)
+- The community context openki offers
+- It allows people to volunteer for the roles including hosting of events
+- Allows people to propose courses based on interest / needs (and puts the same weight on things happening and on rough ideas)
+- It's free to use
-The workload is too high and capacity still low to develop and maintain the project, and we're doing it all voluntary
+====  What was the intention/idea behind showing passed courses also on the startpage? ====
-Maybe not yet ready for mass publicity
+Our core idea about the courses is that they are never really finished. Learning processes continue and so should the possibility to go on with a course.
+From our perspective a course is an idea or a topic that one could learn about, and participants could spin-off events at any time.
+ In this sence a "passed" course can become new again.
-It is important because other people might start the same project in parallel, and we need to be visible (to know at least that such a project takes place).
+==== How is the administrators' decision making process? ====
+e.g. banning a course. How open is it for the community to participate?
+Everybody can report a problem (highly generic) that people could use to report misbehaviour and inappropriate content. The administrators then have to make a decision. Until today there have not been such cases reported, and thus there is not a decision-making structure defined nor implemented. In the future we are open to ideas of having assemblies or other participatory forms of collective democratic decision-making.
-==== How can people know about openki? ====
-There's a list of webpages which link to Openki
+===== What's the strategy, what is considered important? ====
-Physical locations and project in which openki is in use (e.g., Autonomous School)
+We are working on parallel paths.
-Word of mouth, and physical presentations.
+Different topics depend on each other: there is no community whitout a good app. there is no good app without a community, there is no community without an elaborated vision.
+The core team's mood and cowork is relevant for the direcction and development of Openki.
+Important is to regulary focus on tasks that might get forgotten or that have been not taken enough into consideration.
-==== Is there a wikipedia page? ====
-No, but it is a good idea. Feel free to create one :-)  and watch out it's not gonna be a stup or rejected (because aferwards it will become more difficult to create one)
+==== How do you protect from commercial appropriation? ====
+(of the project itself or from commercial alternatives as in the case of couchsurfing and airbnb)?
-==== What is the target group? ====
+The Project itself: We won't sell Openki (unless everybody would decide collaboratively)
+The Source Code anyway we can not be sold. It is opensourced under AGPL Lincense.
+The domains .ch .org .net .de .fr are reserved.
+The Idea itself can be adapted by everyone and we can stop commercial companies of appropriating the idea.
+We have three related courses to discuss further in our Openki-Group:
+    https://openki.net/course/tTzrXfdZ58qk42vAu/openki-und-geld
+    https://openki.net/course/BJXJ2GYHTfDWgJWvH/openkibusinessplan
+    https://openki.net/course/XGRPm6YS8gCQQcLcT/openki-risiken
-In contrast to the answer about the usecase (narrowing down to learning) here the answer is "everyone".
+==== How is the platform administrated? ====
+At the moment we are a central team of administrators in OpenkiHeadquaters in Zurich.
+The primary goal is a decentralized administration.
+We feel inspired by diffenent models that we'd like to combine
+  * the  "stackoverflow.com"-model: Users are assigned certain administrative tasks, and the more they participate and more "reputation" they build, the more their rights increase to edit more stuff.
+  * Regional/Local Networks of People (Maybe with defined user roles like: Moderator Ambassadors...)
+  * Sociocraty, Voting with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method
-people who are interested in learning and teaching, people who want to freely share knowledge...
+==== could you imagine a version / space for children (maybe moderated) ? ====
+Option for Child Care (monitored) during the time of the workshop. A tag every course could either have or not, same with accessibility for wheelchairs.
-Circles/Topics/Cultures: Subculture, youthtopics, fineart, DIY, elderly people, academics, political activists, sportentusiasts, philosophic courses (see question "What are the possible subjects that courses can be organized about?" in FAQ)
-Examples of projects that can use Openki:
+====What courses can I put on Openki?====
-  * activist projects, ...
+[FIXME]!
-  * reading groups
+ * Would a political assembly fit? Is decision-making a learning process? It should be! (we make clear what it is about and to accommodate such processes, it is actually important to make people imagine such meetings as p2p learning processes)
-  * dedicated installations of the software for collectives/companies alternative schools
-We would like to keep the topics diverse but there are 3 important (open) criteria for the actual thresholds of acceptance for projects/concepts:
+===== History  =====
-- Tolerance - We are clear that we don't accept discriminatory content.
+====  Since when does Openki exist? ====
-- Commercial  -  We want our courses to be accessible for everyone, so expensive and/or fixed price courses are not welcome (indicative price is allowed [as long as someone has the freedom to choose their participation level] <-?)
+In January 2010 we started to work on Openki.
-- Professionalism - do we want companies to participate, professional teachers? OK for companies to use Openki internally?
+In 2009 we created an extremly rudimental Webpage 'schuel.dot.ch'. The idea was that people could add their courses online an find participants.
-What is the benefit for (more or less professional) teachers? How do we ensure quality? (difficult answer -> separate session)
+In January 2010 we started to work on the concept of Openki. The big difference is that people can also propose courses now, where they will attend als participants and not as mentors.
-Quality scope and challenge that openness could bring for the users at the point of valuing the quality of the different options when having such diversity. <- ?
+After a break of one year, we started coding in November 2012.
+==== When did you decide for the name Openki? ====
+[FIXME]
-==== Who is your target audience? ====
-   It cannot be 'everyone' - because if that is the case, your target audience is hubs that gather people into communities. <-?
-first and most important peers are possible promoters, multipliers:
+==== How many courses have taken place organised on Openki? ====
-alternative education enthusiasts, groups that have similar visions.
-https://openki.net/course/P6KRoKCkpPF26gM6k
-As we want to bring our Idea of alternativeEducation and selforganisation to a brought audience we want to reach far beond that peergroup.
+Lot of courses mainly from ASZ and denk:mal have been put on Openki. They were included as events but not organized on the platform itself.
+Courses that have been primarly proposed on openki and went through the whole process are not many.
+[FIXME!
-==== How open or worried are you in terms of opening the use-case? ====
-On Openki.net
-We don't see that it would make sense to open&broghten the use-case in the next year (for example proposing projects).
-We feel a need to focus on learning and education
+===== COMMUNITIY/ OUTREACH /Communication / PR =====
-- Many Years ago, we had an other project called "OpenConcept" (everybody could propose projects, ex cultural (theater) ,techincal, political etc.) Openki could be used for that aswell. Alldogh we still like that idea very much we dont want to promote it
-- today: even learning might be already too broad and we need to narrow it down in order to avoid confussions.
-But of course we do not want to promote education in its old understanding - but learning in a broader sense: mutual sharing of experience and knowledge and within this of course discussing ideas is an important part of learning
+==== What is the target group? ====
+Openki is for everybody, who wants to freely share knowledge and is interested in learning and teaching.
+The interests of the people concerning the contents of the course can be very diverse, however should respect certain common values like antiracism aand antisexism, etc
+We want to have as little barriers as possible to make it easy for people to join.
-It would worry us a bit if other people would use it for other objectives other than organizing courses. Because if you browse the Webpage it is already hard to understand "What does openki do for you"
+All Topics: Subculture, youthtopics, fineart, DIY, elderly people, academics, political, sportentusiasts, philosophic...
+(see question "What are the possible subjects that courses can be organized about?" in FAQ)
+====  [FIXME] What kind of users is Openki looking for?  ====
+ As Openki is still in a beginning phase, we cannot yet target "everybody", as we lack the necessary resources. In this phase its primarily peers that we are trying to involve in this project: possible promoters and multipliers, people who want to collaborate and give feedback to improve Openki, education enthusiasts and groups that have similar visions. In a later phase we want to reach beyond that peergroup - generally people who are interested in learning and teaching, people who want to freely share knowledge: subculture, youthtopics, DIY, elderly people, academincs, political people, sports enthusiasts, philosophers etc.
+If you want to share you thoughts on Openki's target group, join the course below: https://openki.net/course/P6KRoKCkpPF26gM6k
-In other words it could give wrong ideas if usecases mix up too much.
+==== How do we make people aware of our project? ====
+There's a list of webpages which link to Openki [FIXME, how many, which ones?]
+Physical locations and projects in which Openki is in use (e.g., Autonomous School)
+Word-of-mouth recommendation and physical presentations.
-==== How would do you see the case of code modifications from third parties? ====
+We started making partnerships and collaborations but we haven't started an outreach process for the reasons mentioned in the questions above. We don't think Openki is ready for mass publicity, however we think it's important to spread the word so as to avoid people starting the same project parallelly.
-If other people copy or fork it and create their own variations, we would be very happy.
+==== What means can we use to promote our ideas and vision? ====
-However, we have not the capacity to support such initiatives.
+We achieve our vision by creating the tool. We want to build a community that shares our vision and helps creating and using the tool.
+The ideas on how to reach the goal of building a communitiy are:
+    - home page (vision and concept)
+    - platform design, e.g., promoting openess and participation in a very fundamental way
+    - facilitating, collaborating with, and "featuring"/promoting real projects that represent such values
+==== How can we assure diversity? ====
+There are different ideas how to ensure accessibility for people with different backgrounds by having a userfriendly interface on the website, Further we try to use simple language.
-==== Do you have partners/official support? ====
+==== Is there a wikipedia page? ====
+No, but it is a good idea. Feel free to create one :-)  and watch out it's not gonna be a stup or rejected (because aferwards it will become more difficult to create one)
-Dedicated session proposed on the topic: https://openki.net/course/x8zDHqA7GMmRyvdS3/openki-collaboration-partners-network
-At the "About" page there's a list of partners (mainly "friends" projects). http://about.openki.net/?page_id=554&lang=en
+==== How can we connect/collaborate with active (offline) existing groups? ====
+The project was born inside an activist community (Autonomous schools).
+Connection is through networking. We would love to have more capacity for such collaborations
+We organized an unconference for autonomous education last year where we invited different international groups.
+We are participating in different events/conferences.  (Chaos Congress, Border scapes conference in Lesbos, Aarhus, Other activist networks, Personal networks.)
+spread the idea in networks we are in.
+http://about.openki.net/?cat=10
+something about unconference [FIXME]
-On-going collaboration with Autonomous Schule Zurich, Kunsthalle, NetHood, and ImpactHub (co-located in the same building)
-The ASZ courses: https://openki.net/group/90aa41f3
-For Kunsthalle: https://openki.net/course/BERAsieNHEghHZW84/openki-x-kunsthalle-zrich
+===== SUSTAINABILITY/ FUNDING /COLLABORATION  ===
 ==== What financial needs do you have? ====
+CHF/month fix for expenses and infrastructure: 800 €/month for the room + 80€ server and domain names + 200 food
-CHF p/month fix for expenses and infrastructure: 800 € p/month for the room + 80€ server and domain names + 200 food
+.000 CHF/month would be a budget for self-employment for the current workteam, following Swiss standards.
+.000 CHF/month would be required for general purposes of the project [FIXME] for example...?
-.000 CHF would be a budget for self-employment for the current workteam, following Swiss standards.
-.000 CHF/month would be required for general purposes of the project
 ==== How do you get financed? ====
-The present budget comes exclusively from donations. (solidarity funds and private persons). The only regular income is 100/month from ASZ. See http://about.openki.net/?page_id=1036&lang=en
+The present budget comes exclusively from donations (solidarity funds and private persons). The only regular income is 100/month from ASZ. See http://about.openki.net/?page_id=1036&lang=en
 Related courses on the long-term sustainability of the project:
 https://openki.net/course/BJXJ2GYHTfDWgJWvH/openkibusinessplan
 https://openki.net/course/tTzrXfdZ58qk42vAu/openki-und-geld
+The current balance is 1000 CHF.
-current balance is 1000 CHF
+Three years ago, we started asking foundations for funding (made a very professional documentation dossier). We asked arround 20 foundations for 250K CHF in total but didn't get it. We stopped this effort because one of us found a job and couldn't work on this, and the rest were quite demotivated because of the rejections. Foundations have a special focus and Openki is very broad (not only one goal like youth, refugees, education) and it is difficult for foundations to judge on the totality of the project. The fact is that a web platform goes under infrastructure. Business plan (sustainability) was not very well structured (at least not as typically expected) and elaborated. additionnally a standard businessplan is kind of contradictiory to a inovative project. The argument of "self-organization" seems not very convincing. For some the budget was too high, for other too low. Too sociocultural rather than social. We were affraid to appear as too political, and trying to appear different than we are in order to be liked was a difficult situation psychologically. Foundations did not give good reasons for rejection. And applying for funding is a LOT of work. So we decided to put all our efforts in the development of the project instead of twisting us around.
+Efforts to get funding around concrete projects (Kunsthalle, learning festival with Impact Hub) have been resumed recently.
-Three years ago started asking foundations for funding (made a very professional documentation, dossier), asked arround 20 foundations for 250K CHF in total but didn't get it. We stopped this effort because one of us found a job and couldn't work on this, and the rest were quite demotivated because of the rejections. Foundations have a special focus and Openki is very broad (not only one goal like youth, refugees, education) and it is difficult for foundations to judge on the totality of the project. The fact that is a web platform goes under infrastructure. Business plan (sustainability) was not very well structured (at least not as typically expected) and elaborated. additionnally a standard businessplan is kind of contradictiory to a inovative project. The argument of "self-organization" seems not very convincing. For some the budget was too high, for other too low. To much sociocultural than social. We were affraid to appear as too political, and trying to appear different than we are in order to be liked was a difficult situation psychologically. Foundations did not give good reasons for rejection. And applying for funding is a LOT of work. So we decided to put all our efforts in the development of the project instead of twisting us orround.
-Efforts to get funding around concrete projects (Kunsthalle, learning festival with Impact Hub) have been resumed recently ....
 Later (as soon as we are enough to do it) we will attempt a well-organized crowd funding campaign. This seems a good chance to get users and money at the same time.
+There is a also a Faircoin wallet: fL6D9U18Kjia7yHCkjsSLGReGSD9TeBvA2 (need to check if it is properly updated to v2)
-There is a also a Faircoin wallet:
-fL6D9U18Kjia7yHCkjsSLGReGSD9TeBvA2 (need to check if it is properly updated to v2)
+==== Do we have partners /official support? ====
+Dedicated session proposed on the topic: https://openki.net/course/x8zDHqA7GMmRyvdS3/openki-collaboration-partners-network
+At the "About" page there's a list of partners (mainly "friends" projects). http://about.openki.net/?page_id=554&lang=en
+On-going collaboration with Autonomous Schule Zurich, Kunsthalle, NetHood, and ImpactHub (co-located in the same building)
+The ASZ courses: https://openki.net/group/90aa41f3
+For Kunsthalle: https://openki.net/course/BERAsieNHEghHZW84/openki-x-kunsthalle-zrich
-==== how do we compete with paid- or fulltime-jobs? ====
+==== What are criteria for a project to be on Openki?  ====
+We would like to keep the topics diverse but there are 3 important (open) criteria for the actual thresholds of acceptance for projects/concepts:
+- Tolerance - We are clear that we don't accept discriminatory content.
+- Commercial  -  We want our courses to be accessible for everyone, expensive and/or fixed price courses are not welcome (indicative price is allowed [as long as someone has the freedom to choose their participation level] <-?)
+- Professionalism - do we want companies to participate, professional teachers? OK for companies to use Openki internally?
+What is the benefit for (more or less professional) teachers? How do we ensure quality? (difficult answer -> separate session)
+Quality scope and challenge that openness could bring for the users at the point of valuing the quality of the different options when having such diversity. <- ?
-we can not. often it is depressing that people leave because they need money or just because they find a payed job with having money. And lot of nice ideas keep undone.
+==== Can I open up a new region in XYZ ====
-What makes us still competable is that we can do what we want, that we can work as fast as we want and on what we want, that we are our own bosses and that we have much nicer goals than most companies
+You can try! Our experience is that it takes a huge effort to create an active community in a new region. We are working now in Zurich for a good pilot.
+Experience shows that it needs some people with a lot of commitment to coordinate all the volunteers. We started to create new Regions in Athens, Thessaloniki, Wintertur, Berlin and Bern. In all of them we knew motivated people that asked us to create a new region. non of them is active. so in 2018 me might work on a paper that helps to create new regions, and that might as well contain preconditions or advises for new region (diversity of groups, amount of fully committed people, fundraising, ...)
-==== are there Options/Plans for projects-interaction? ====
-  linking possibilities from/to/with Openki platform?
-like Powerful tagging and searching functionality already implemented.
+==== How do we plan to make openki sustainable? ====
-It could be possible, but for the moment there's not the capacity for facing the challenge.
+We want to find out during this week. There are three workshops announced on this topic  (money, sustainability, future)
-In the same time it is a question about capacity of Openki/development
+https://openki.net/group/Ya3BgteukAtN5XkFr
+[FIXME]
+This is part of what we want to find out in this openki-week [FIXME
+During the openki-week many different funding options have been discussed.
+Some fundings more planed to be a "Start-boost" for the project, and some more sustainable and ongoing fundings.
+A decision on which way to proceed has not been taken yet. But we are working on it.
-suggestions: Recommendations, the notion of a "link" between groups, how could projects empower each other (resources sharing/ improving, experiences sharing, interact)
+==== How do we compete with paid- or fulltime-jobs? ====
+We can't pay (yet?). It has been difficult and depressing that good people have left the project because they needed money or left because they found a job that didn't give them enough time to work on Openki on the side. Many good ideas have not been implemented due to that and have been left undone.
+The up side of our project is that we are our own bosses and have the opportunity to work on a project that has in our view much nicer goals that most companies and we can decide how often, how fast and how much we want to work on Openki.
-Proposed course for Openki week: https://openki.net/course/YMnYtbu6gbqtgQcXM
-==== Could Openki be a peer to peer / decentralized administrated or federated platform? ====
+==== How to make a living out of mentoring courses on Openki?====
-  If not, how to do it?
+[TODO] Richtpreis-post on about
+FAQ-link?
-**Abstract technical aspects:**
+Course: https://openki.net/course/Y293GH7oYRyYwgTh2
-A peer to peer server communication / each group&region can have an own server/computer/device that communicates with the others / since we started was a long term goal, but as is too complex we don't think we'll implement it very soon.
-**social/political aspect:**
-A decentralized administration (in a single server) is also a primary goal of the project
-We are inspired by stack overflow for example in this subject (users are assigned certain administrative tasks, and the more they participate and more reputation they build, the more increase their potential role).
+==== Are there Options/Plans for projects-interaction or linking possibilities from/to/with Openki platform?====
-"User reputation" is a keyword here. https://github.com/Openki/Openki/issues/164
+Powerful tagging and searching functionality are already implemented.
+It could be possible, but for the moment we do not have the capacity for project-interractions or linking possibilities with others.
+At the same time it is a question about capacity of Openki/development
-==== How is the administrators' decision making process? ====
+suggestions: Recommendations, the notion of a "link" between groups, how could projects empower each other (resources sharing/ improving, experiences sharing, interact)
-e.g. banning a course. How open is it for the community to participate?
+Proposed course for Openki week: https://openki.net/course/YMnYtbu6gbqtgQcXM
-Everybody can report a problem (highly generic) that people could use to report misbehaviour and inappropriate content. The administrators then have to make a decision. Until today there have not been such cases reported, and thus there is not a decision-making structure defined nor implemented. In the future we are open to ideas of having assemblies or other participatory forms of collective democratic decision-making.
+==== How would you see the case of code-modifications from third parties? ====
+If other people copy or fork it and create their own variations, we would be very happy.
+However, we have not the capacity to support such initiatives.
-==== Can it be self hosted? ====
+=== Do you know what kind of communication tools are used by existing alternative learning groups? How Openki compares to Meetup, Moodle, ...... ? ===
+analouge, telegram, facebookpage...  [FIXME]
-Yes, but not automatically (like NextCloud for example). Question about capacity. so put to the future
-We don't encourage this by now, but rather host the .net installation
+==== How do you handle courses which are opposed to the law (e.g. hacker, lockpicking, etc.) or ethical controversial? ====
+Main principles are not to discriminate any group of people. At some point we'll be forced to add a AGB disclaimer, code of conduct (maybe containing a statment that users are responsible for theyr content.
+This decisions should be made e.g. by the admin group or the moderator (in the future: of each region) subject to a commonly agreed disclaimer => Check couchsurfing policy or meetup
-As one of the main goals of Openki is to interconnect Initiatives, we hesitate a swell if it makes sense before the instances can connect to each others (see previous question).
+===== TECHNICAL STUFF =====
+==== How safe is our page? ====
-==== Is the platform for physical events only or also for e-learning? ====
+ Openki.net is by default SSL encoded. It's the same technologies onlinebanking use.
+ When you register for a course, your username is public. Therefore: "Nothing is safe" ;)
-Mostly for physical events but it is possible to organize courses and events that take place online.
+==== What security meassures are taken to protect content and identities? (FAQ) ====
-==== Is there a plan to find a building where courses can be regularly organized? ====
-No but do it. we would collaborate
-We have the huge office and the Openki-Foyer in order to facilitate workshops, cyrcles and courses. free to be used for you.
-==== How many (non-ASZ) courses have taken place over Openki and what was the experience for mentors/participants/hosts? ====
-Not many. Maybe non. actually we don't know it.
-==== What solutions does Openki offer for e-learning? ====
-Openki does not offer any functionality for e-learning processes (e.g., slide sharing, online assignments, etc), except from the proposal and organization of the events.
-There are such open source e-learning platforms like p2pu..., that could aswell be integrated or linked with Openki.
-We could acctually add a "on-line" region for organizing on-line learning sessions with third party solutions.
-==== How can "lessons" or "processes" be recorded and the outcomes socialized within the platform ====
-   (text, media, streaming service)
-There is no Place for documentation of the courses yet.
-We had the functionality of "course documentation" (Upload of Files) and took it away because it was too much work to maintain it. We'd be up for putting it on-line again in meanwhile we consider using third-party solutions and add a link in the description of the course. we could add dedicated field for the file-links
-==== Where's the wiki mentioned in the FAQ? ====
-It doesn't exist. The FAQ is partly 7 Years old
-==== What was the intention/idea behind showing passed courses also on the startpage? To show what has been done? ====
-The core idea behind:
-The course never really finishes. From our perspective a course is an idea or a topic that one could learn, and participants could spin-off events at any time, and so a "passed" course can become new again.
-The user interface needs to make clearer the distinction between groups, courses and events.
--> todo: CREATE COURSE FOR:  Groups, Courses, Events
-==== Could Openki serve as an open repository of "skills" and/or resources? ====
-No. (Sure it could, but it is not) We need a very clearly visible usecase for people to understand what Openki is.
-But of course you can search courses for mentors/specialits that you might want to contact and get their skills. But we want the skills to be shared not
-not sure whehter I understand this. Users can add skills to their profile?
-A more dedicated mapping, documenting and history work could be done in order to have records of what was done through the platform.
-Course for this: https://openki.net/course/A3s967qWm8xFGpfuB
-==== How do you protect from commercial appropriation? ====
-(of the project itself or from commercial alternatives as in the case of couchsurfing and airbnb)?
-The Project itself: We won't sell Openki (unless everybody would decide collaboratively)
-The Source Code anyway we can not be sold. It is opensourced under AGPL Lincense.
-The Idea itself can be adapted by everyone and we can stop commercial companies of appropriating the idea.
-We have three related courses to discuss further in our Openki-Group:
-    https://openki.net/course/tTzrXfdZ58qk42vAu/openki-und-geld
-    https://openki.net/course/BJXJ2GYHTfDWgJWvH/openkibusinessplan
-    https://openki.net/course/XGRPm6YS8gCQQcLcT/openki-risiken
-==== For how long does the project exist? ====
-.5 years ago (Jan 2010) we started to work on the concept of Openki for arround 9 Month. Before there was allready a extremly rudimental Webpage schuel.dot.ch
-.5 Years ago (Nov 2012) after a break we started to code.
- when did we decide for the name?
-==== Is Openki workgroup a cooperative? ====
-case not, how do you consider this option?
-Openki is officially registered as a Swiss "Verein" which is an Association. We are called KOPF (Course Organisation PlatForm).  By law Vereins are democratically managed and non profit but still allow for a great flexibility. We are tax-excempt by the Kanton of Zurich.
-Todo Juanse: Pros and cons of becoming a coop associated to BotC
-Course: https://openki.net/course/Y293GH7oYRyYwgTh2
-==== What security measures are taken to protect content and identities? ====
-from our FAQ:
-Wie sicher ist Openki? Openki.net ist standardmässig SSL verschlüsselt. Dies ist die gleiche Technologie, wie dein Onlinebanking nutzt. Deine Anmeldungen an Kursen sind zum Beispiel aber für andere Nutzende sichtbar. Wie immer gilt: „Nichts ist sicher“ ;)
 Unlike most web platforms we allow people using the platform without providing any personal information (not even their e-mail if they don't want to receive notifications).
 Personal security demands (e.g. not logging) is not supported at the time.
 We can not provide guarantee that Openki is secure from crackers.
 We log the IPs on the server (by default we think, we didn't ever change something)
 Our host is not forced to log users IPs as far as we know. neither with the new federal surveillance law.
-=== Is there an Mobile-App yet? ===
+==== Can the openki web-app be self hosted? ====
-No there no app in any store, but we'd like to have one. Especally for refugees it would be very useful. People from athens asked us and in ASZ as well it would be great. For now the online app is responsive / mobile friendly.
+Yes, but not automatically (like NextCloud for example). Question about capacity we will think about in the future.
-It's not a very long way to create an Android or OSX app, as Meteor is providing a option to compile it to an App (compared to rewrite it from scratch)
+We don't encourage this by now, but rather host the .net installation.
+As one of the main goals of Openki is to interconnect Initiatives, we hesitate a swell if it makes sense before the instances can connect to each other (see previous question).
-=== how can i help with the translation of the platform? ===
+=== Is there an Mobile-App yet? ===
-Untill today everybody can contribute to the translation to any language:  https://openki.net/translate (you need only an openki User-account)
+No theres no app in any store, but we'd like to have one. For now the webpage is responsive / mobile friendly.
+Especally for refugees a mobile app would be very useful. People from athens asked us and in ASZ as well it would be great.
+It's not a very long way to create an Android or OSX app, as Meteor is providing a option to compile it to an App (compared to rewrite it from scratch).
+==== What is openki licenced under? ====
+[FIXME]
+==== How could you see the case of code modifications from 3rd parties? ====
+[FIXME]
+==== Are there options/ plans for project interactions or linking possibilities? ====
+[FIXME]
+==== Could Openki be a peer to peer Server solution ====
+  * Sure. But it needs the peer to peer server communication
+  * Idea is that each group&region can have an own server/computer/device that communicates with the others
+  * since we started this was a long term goal, but as is too complex to imlement a needed protocoll and definitions we don't think we'll implement it very soon.
-=== how can i translate the descriptions of courses (not only the platform)? ===
+The primary goal is a decentralized administration on a single server
-The description of the courses are thought to be at the same language as the corresponding course. For 1-2 additional languages that might of interest (Multilanguage courses), the owner of the course could add the translations directly on the description field.
-=== where do I find running Openki's Projects/Engagements to see where i can contribute? ===
-For programming-tasks it's the https://github.com/Openki/Openki issues and milestones
-For other activities we don't have any public list it yet.
-=== How can I know what is the current status and roadmap of the Openki project? ===
-The same answer as above
-=== What is the economic sustainability plan for the project? ====
-we want to find out during this week. There are three workshops announced on this topic  (money, sustainability, future)
-https://openki.net/group/Ya3BgteukAtN5XkFr
-=== How do you connect with on the ground physical communities who already are practicing alternative learning? ===
-The project was born inside such an activist community (Autonomous schools)
-Connection is through networking. we would love to have more capacity for such collaborations
-We organized an unconference for autonomous education last year where we invited different international groups. we are participating in different events/conferences.  (Chaos Congress, Border scapes conference in Lesbos, Aarhus Other activist networks...  Personal networks....
-spread the idea in networks we are in.
-http://about.openki.net/?cat=10
+===== CURRENT STATE =====
-=== Are you a movement? A community? A piece of technology? An organisation?  ===
+==== Who are we right now? ====
+We are a group of people. Somewhere between 3 and 15 are active.
+people are fulltime, 1 person one day a week, 1 person irregularly between one and 3 evenings, 1 person on and off, when in zurich some halfdays a week, when abroad sometimes. One just stopped because he found a job.
+Some more are helping out with some tasks once or twice a month, some participate once or twice a jear.
+There's not yet a communication workgroup active, people in the core group are shy/modest/humble :-)
+ we're doing it all voluntarily
-Everything! Driven by our goals/vision: We achieve our vision by creating the tool. The tool needs a community. To build a community we need the movement.
+===Core Memebers===
+== Urban ==
+since the beginning, stopped coding 1 Jear ago,
+Passed projects:
-We are a vision. to achieve this one we create a tool. the tool itself wont do we need to spread the vision (a moovement) and we need a social framing (the community).
+Curent Projects:/Interests
+  * Professionalization. At the moment really little perspective to continue the project without a serious step of professionalization
+  *
-Values->  Goal -> Tool  ->  Organization  -> Community  -> Movement  -> Idea  -> Goal
+== Luca ==
-=== The platform itself does not give much indication of the theories and philosophies of alternatives to the insititutionalised school system. Is your goal to simply create a platform to be used in any way possible, or also to promote ideas about deschooling and convivial knowledge exchange? In which case a more informative/inspirational shell needs to be created around the platform itself. ===
+== Stephan ==
+  * Coder, Denk:mal activist/moderator, Openki since sommer 2013
-On the platform itself we only give a framing derived from that background
+== Panos ==
-We have ambitions to create this context arround the platform, necessary to enable everybody to contribute. not only to
-part of the answer as well is that from observing other participatory projects: the academic discourse is blocking (verblenden) everybody to use it.
+== Mirj ==
-Three ways to promote such ideas:
-    - home page (vision and concept)
-    - platform design, e.g., promoting openess and participation in a very fundamental way
-    - facilitating, collaborating with, and "featuring"/promoting real projects that represent such values
-katalin: see wikimedia foundation for inspiration about bringing specific groups on to the site
+==== How can I know what the current state is? ====
+Right now there is no public road map for Openki itself, yet. (For programmers see open issues on https://github.com/Openki/Openki )
-=== Do you know what kind of communication tools are used by existing alternative learning groups? How Openki compares to Meetup, Moodle, ...... ? ===
+====What are current projects? ====
-analouge telegram facebookpage
+One of the current projects we work on is in the Kunsthalle in Zürich.
+Years of Reformation Exibition, Artist RobPrutt will build a church. Open mid Dec. until mid Mai
+Core question: What happens in a church when there is no religion and no priest?
+The artist transforms the space (huge) to a "church" and chooses as the main activity a bottom-up knowledge exchange
+Room is open for workshops organized by everyone. Openki can organize workshops (about the platform, concept, methodology, learning)
+Walkin thing (two actors, observers and participants)
+Entrance in not sure if it's free (Museumscard would loose it's value) Entrance for the workshops will be free
+Friendly collaboration
+  * Tried to get more money for us
+  * No pressure
+Pay arround 2000 for our work on
+They make advertisment for openki (Flyer, Stikers...)
+Collection goes to ASZ
+Technical aspects:
+  * arty-event: so not everything has to look perfect
+Ideas:
+  * activist projects, reading groups, offspaces, makerlabs, hackerspaces, youthcenters, academic groups, squats, migrantprojects,
+  * dedicated installations of the software for
+    * collectives/companies
+    * alternative schools
+    * barcamps, unconferences, ....
+[FIXME]
-=== Will the course material be archived? Is there a function to document what in the course has happened? (for further courses)+ ===
+==== Where do I find Openki's running projects /engagements to see how i can contribute/participate?====
+For general engagement activities we don't have any public list.
+For translation-tasks go to https://openki.net/translate, for programming-tasks join: https://github.com/Openki/Openki.
+For code contribution go to our https://github.com/Openki/Openki page and see the open issues thy are labeled (Tech, Small, UI, ...)
+Untill today everybody can contribute to the translation to any language:  https://openki.net/translate (you only need an openki User-account)
+The tools we are using inside the project are documented internally: its mostly Gitlab, Trello, Github, Etherpads, Wiki...
-=== How do I know that a course is of good quality or even worse if I will not be in danger going to an event? ===
+Please ask us for access and introduction, we are happy to show you.
-For this our answer untill now has been to implement a feedback/reputation system.
-Trusted venues, public spaces should be preferred and avoiding private places of strangers is recommended.
-=== How do you handle courses which are opposed to the law (e.g. hacker, lockpicking, etc.) or ethical controversial? ===
+==== How can i translate the descriptions of courses (not only the platform)? ====
+The description of the courses are thought to be at the same language as the corresponding course. For 1-2 additional languages that might of interest (Multilanguage courses), the owner of the course could add the translations directly on the description field. This is answerd in the FAQ aswell.
-Every region has (will have) a moderator (or a local admin group?) that should make such decisions (democratically?) subject to a commonly agreed disclaimer?
-=> Check couchserfing policy or meetup
+==== Is there a current plan to find a building where courses can be regularly organized? ====
+No but do it. We would collaborate. We have the huge office and the Openki-Foyer in order to facilitate workshops, cyrcles and courses. free to be used for you.
+==== What was the experience for mentors/participants/hosts? ====
+[FIXME]
+You can ask Adreas from RevampIT, Panos Nethood...

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